Chapter 14 - Dicey Scalf
John Scalf, Sr. & Edeah Carlisle
Dicey Scalf, daughter of John Scalf, Sr. is believed to have been born about 1800 according to Elmer D. Scalf, author of Scalf Family History, page 36. We have been unable to find records to confirm exactly when Dicey was born.
Information concerning Dicey Scalf has been scarce and numerous efforts have been made to confirm her birth date as well as her marriage with few results. Several theories come to mind concerning who Dicey Scalf married. This chapter will deal with what has been determined concerning the family of Dicey Scalf Williams.
There is no doubt that John Scalf and Edeah (Edy) Carlisle Scalf had a daughter named Dicey and that she married a Williams. The existence of Dicey Scalf is not in question. The statements of Patsy Counts Scalf from the pension file of John Scalf, Sr, confirm the names of all the children of John and Edy Carlisle Scalf. (See page 3 of Patsy Counts Scalf statement in Hawkins County, 1845) (Page 3)
We are indebted to Patsy (sister-in-law) of Dicey Scalf
Williams for most of the information we have acquired concerning these
children. Studies of the available census records suggest significant doubt
that Dicey was married to John Williams of
The focus of this chapter is to present the evidence
obtained in order to assist researchers in the research of Dicey Scalf
Williams. The available records do not support the theory that Dicey Scalf
Williams was married to John Williams of
Gwen McLaughlin, a descendent of John Williams of
In his application, Ira Williams stated that Mahala Stover
(or Stoner) was his mother. Ira is listed on the 1850 census of
Gwen McLaughlin faxed the application made by Ira William to the Cherokee Nation to me and a thorough study of the names in the application was made. Gwen and I both agree that the maiden name of Mahala, first wife of John Williams and mother of Ira Williams, was either Stover or Stoner and most likely Stover. It certainly does not appear to be Scalf or any variant spelling of the name.
We have no knowledge of how prior writers of the Scalf
family determined that John Williams of
We believe the pension file of John Scalf, Sr. is the key to possibly solving our dilemma concerning who the husband of Dicey Scalf might have been.
As mentioned above, documentation for the wife of John
“I found the supporting letter for my ancestor Ira
Williams. It was written by a Nancy Ann Mitchell. She states,
"I know him to be the son of John Williams who resided Near
“Indian application for the collateral line that went through Ira Williams' Sister is filled out by the grandson and he plainly states that his grandmother was Mahala Stover/Stoner.
“John Williams that is found in Hamilton Co. Tn. in 1850 was first married to Mahala Stoner/Stover. I am not sure as yet which it is, Stoner or Stover. I know this to be a fact from two Indian Applications from two different legs of his descendants. Both applications state this but it is hard to determine if it is an n or a v in the name. At first, I thought it was Stoner but there were some Stovers in Hamilton Co. So I am trying to figure this out.
always told us that his father was Henry, who died when Grandpa was 5 and that
his grandparents were Ira and Sarah Williams. I have census' showing Henry at home with his
parents Ira and Sarah Williams. I have a census with Ira still at home
with his father John Williams and some siblings in Hamilton Co. Tn. I also have a Civil War pension application
filed by Ira's wife Sarah. In it she states that she married Ira Williams in
Family of John Williams of
WILLIAMS, John M 62 1788 NC
Sarah F 37 1813 NC
Margie F 16 1834 TN
Ira M 14 1836 TN
Martha F 13 1837 TN
Ann F 12 1838 TN
Sophia F 8 1842 TN
Mary F 6 1844 TN
Emily F 4 1846 TN
Calvin M 1 1849 TN
Gwen’s email stated that John Williams married two times
after his first marriage and that he died in
In view of this information we turn to the pension file of John Scalf, Sr.
John Scalf, Sr. made application for his Revolutionary
John had been admitted to the pension rolls by October of 1837 and was then dropped from the rolls by September of 1838.
John then appealed to Abraham McClellan for help in
restoring his pension. Abraham McClellan, representative of the
Mr. McClellan responded to Mr. Edwards with the following statement:
“Mr. Scalf resides about 75 miles from me and I have not been able to learn much in relation to the facts which you wish to know. I have seen since the reception of your letter, a gentleman by the name of Kildair who is a neighbor of Scalf, — he says that Thos. Pratt, the witness in the case is an old man whose word is intitled to some credit, but it is believed in the neighborhood that he is deceived about this man and that Scalf is not old enough to have been in the Revolution. The other witnesses are Sons in law of Mr. Scalf. So says my informant.” (McClellan to Edwards-Oct. 22,1838)
We believe the statement from Mr. Kildair (informant) to Mr. McClellan concerning the witnesses in the case of John Scalf, Sr. confirms that Squire Williams was a son-in-law of John Scalf, Sr. In her deposition Patsy Counts Scalf meticulously named each child of John and Edy Carlisle Scalf and she named Dicey as “Dicey Williams.” Patsy also stated the number of children of each married child by 1845. We do believe that the number “19” listed for Brittan’s children was incorrect and most likely due to an unintentional stroke of the old quill pen by the clerk. However, the possibility that there were 19 children cannot be ruled out.
Another witness was Thomas Lockard, husband of Cecelia (Sela) Scalf Lockard, daughter of John Scalf, Sr. (See statement of Thomas Lockard) (Lockard, Dec- 1838)
Another witness who made a statement was Alexander Trent, husband of Mary “Polly” Scalf Trent, daughter of John Scalf, Sr. (See statement of Alexander Trent) (Trent-Dec.1838)
Squire Williams stated that he had known John Scalf, Sr. for fifteen years. This would calculate to a date of 1823. (See statement of Squire Williams) (Williams-Dec.1838)
The year 1823 also places John Scalf, Sr. in
The following census of 1830 shows the family of Squire Williams in 1830.
Two males <5 1825 – 1830 – John and ?
One male 20 – 30 1800 – 1810 - Squire
One female <5 1825 – 1830 - ?
Two females 5 – 10 1820 – 1825 - ? - ?
One female 20 – 30 1800 – 1810
Note that the oldest children of Squire Williams were born 1820 – 1825. If Squire had known John Scalf, Sr. for around 15 years, Squire and Dicey could have married around 1823 with the first child being born 1824 – 1825. There were two females in 1830 with birth dates ranging from 1820 – 1825. One child could have been born 1823 and one in 1825 depending on the date of marriage for Dicey and Squire. Note that the wife here was born 1800 – 1810. Elmer Scalf lists a definite birth date of 1800 for Dicey. However, we do not know of any documentation for this.
By 1840, most of the married children of John Scalf, Sr.
were living in
We cannot say with complete certainty, but we believe that
Betsy (Scalf) Collins and her sister, Nancy (Scalf) Collins were also living in
The following family may or may not be the family of Dicey Scalf Williams.
One male 5 – 10 1830 – 1835 – Peter
Two males 10 – 15 1825 – 1830 - John and ?
One male 30 – 40 1800 – 1810 - Squire
Two females <5 1835 – 1840 - Eliza and Jane
One female 5 – 10 1830 – 1840 - ?
Two females 15 – 20 1820 – 1825 - ? and ?
One female 20 – 30 1810 – 1820 - Eliza
The 1840 census of Squire Williams shows two older males born 1825 – 1830. One of these males could have been John listed on the 1850 census as 21 years old and born in 1829. The other male was most likely married by 1850. John might have been disabled in some way or had simply not married at this time.
Peter was born 1833 according to the 1850 census. On the 1840 census there is one male aged 5 – 10 and born 1830 – 1835.
Eliza and Jane from the 1850 census were twins and born about 1835. There were two older females in the home in 1840 born 1820 – 1825 and another one born 1830 – 1835. The two older females were likely married by 1850 and it is possible that the female born 1830 – 1835 was also married or may have died.
We cannot determine with certainty that Esquire Williams
from the 1850 census of
Dicey is listed in Scalf Family History, page 36 with a birth date of 1800. We have no documentation concerning Dicey’s date of birth and none is listed in either Henry or Elmer’s books. Considering this, we assume Dicey’s birth date to have been speculation and she may have been born either earlier or later than 1800.
If correct, Squire’s wife in 1850 (Eliza) could have been Dicey Eliza Scalf or Eliza Dicey Scalf. The fact that there have been no records found of Dicey Scalf, along with the fact that many Williams’ descendents have no information on a Dicey Scalf in the family suggests that the Williams descendents might know Dicey by another name.
The 1850 census lists the wife of Esquire Williams as Eliza, age 40 and born 1810. However, the 1860 shows her age to be 54 and born 1806, which would be nearer the age of Dicey Scalf if earlier researchers were correct about her year of birth.
1850 Hawkins Co. TN 16 November 1850 District 8
Williams, Esquire 49 1801 TN Male
Eliza 40 1810 TN Female
Peter 17 1833 TN Male
Eliza 15 1835 TN Female
Jane 15 1835 TN Female
James 6 1844 TN Male
Looney 5 1845 TN Male
Alexander 3 1847 TN Male
John 21 1829 TN Male
On the 1850 census, the next child after Eliza and Jane was
The same could be said for the next child (James born 1844). However, the last two children, Looney and Alexander were born 1845 and 1847 according to the census of 1850.
Going to the 1860 census, we find that
The next child born after James in 1850 was Looney, born 1845. Note that Looney is not listed in 1860 but “Squire” appears on the 1860 census with a birth date calculated at 1847. We believe Squire and Looney were the same person. Our reasoning for this is the fact that Alexander from the 1850 census had a birth date calculated at 1847. Alexander appears on the 1860 census as 11 years old with a birth date calculated at 1849. Alexander should have been 13 years old in 1860. Alexander was the last child born to Squire and Eliza by 1850 according to the 1850 census.
In 1860, Squire and Eliza have an additional four children.
Perry was the oldest child of the four additional children and was 9 years old with a calculated birth date of 1851, just one year after the census of 1850.
Andrew was 6 years old with a calculated birth date of 1854.
Juritta was 2 years old with a calculated birth date of 1858.
Last, was James C. at 5 months old with a calculated birth date of 1860.
John, age 21 in 1850 and born 1829 is not listed on the 1860 census and may have married or died by 1860.
The enumerator was certainly having a difficult time with this census, as the children are all listed out of birth order and most likely their ages were off as well.
In the neighborhood of Squire Williams were two Collins families, Asa Collins and wife Betti and Alford Collins and wife Milly. Squire was family #664 and Asa was family #668 with Alford living next door to Asa. This may or may not be significant in determining these families.
1860 Hawkins Co. TN 9 July 1860 Rogersville 9th District
Williams, Squire 55 1805 VA male
Eliza 54 1806 TN female
Nancy A. 17 1843 TN female
Juritta 2 1858 TN female
James C. 5/mo 1860 TN male
Alex Williams 11 1849 TN male
Squire “ 13 1847 TN male
Andrew 6 1854 TN male
Perry 9 1851 TN male
Jane and Eliza (twins) from the 1850 census are missing from the 1860 census and most likely married by 1860. Peter and John from the 1850 census are missing in 1860 as well. All of these children would have been old enough to marry by 1860 and may have married or possibly died.
We do believe this is the same Williams family as the one in 1850 and Squire in 1860 was Esquire in 1850. His wife is still Eliza but her birth date calculates nearer to Dicey Scalf’s birth date in 1860. It is the opinion of this researcher that this is the family of Squire Williams and Dicey Scalf Williams until further information can prove otherwise.
Note that Squire Williams had eight children by 1840. Patsy
Counts Scalf stated in her deposition in
Alexander and Looney Williams were both found living in
Squire and Eliza Williams were not found after 1860.
However, their son Alexander had married to
Williams, Alexander 22 1848 VA
Williams, Looney 24 1846 TN
Sallie P. 19 1851 TN
Sherrod, Dorotha 50 1820 NC Relationship not given
Interestingly, the Williams history states that Sherrod
Williams married Mary “Polly” Looney, daughter of Michael Looney in
We find it interesting that Squire Williams named a son Looney coupled with the fact that a Dorotha SHERROD was living in Looney’s home in 1870. One might suspect that she was the mother of Sallie (wife of Looney); however, a Sarah Williams was found on the 1880 census with a child named Looney. This may or may not be Looney’s wife from the 1870 census. The name Sherrod and Looney suggest a relationship to Mary “Polly” Looney and Sherrod Williams but this could also be coincidental.
Since Sallie was a “nickname” for Sarah we believe this could be the wife of Looney from the 1870 census. Looney was not in the home but Sarah was listed as married, not widowed or divorced. We have not been able to locate a Squire or Looney Williams around the right age on the census records and this suggests he might have died before 1880.
This Sarah Williams was living with Dolly or Sally Wise, age 78, a widow, who is listed as Sarah’s mother.
1880 Hawkins Co. TN 8 & 9th day of June 1880 District 2
Wise, Sally (Dolly?) 78 1802 TN TN TN
Williams, Sarah 36 1844
Looney 10 1870
Lida 6 1874
Lillie 4 1876
Hugh 6/mo 1880 Nov. TN TN TN g-son
Considering the documentation provided by Gwen McLaughlin
along with the pension file of John Scalf, Sr., we believe that John Williams
However, we will present here information that has been gathered concerning the census records of Brannam/Branham Williams who is listed in prior writings of the Scalf family as a son of Dicey Scalf.
Information from Collins researchers state that Brannam/Branham Williams was a grandson of Vardy (Vardiman) Collins and Margaret “Peggy” Gibson Collins It is stated also that Brannam/Branham was the son of Timothy Williams and Lucretia Collins. Lucretia was the daughter of Vardy and Margaret.
The 1850 census of
Timothy Williams and Lucretia Collins
1850 Hawkins CO TN 3 December 1850 Subdivision 33
COLLINS, Varda M 86 1766 NC
Margarett F 77 1773 NC
WILLIAMS, Branum M 17 1833 TN
By 1860, Branham/Brannum Williams had married and had one child whom he named Timothy.
WILLIAMS, Branham M 24 1836 TN
Lousia F 20 1840 TN
Timothy M 10/12 1859 TN
PIPSON, Zach M 8 1852 TN
By 1870, Branham/Brannum Williams now has a wife named Eliza
and is living in
Eliza F 30 1840 TN
Timothy M 11 1859 TN
James M 9 1861 TN
Charlie M 6 1864 TN
Vesta C. F 3 1867 TN
Christopher M 9/12 1869 TN
By 1880, Branham/Brannum is listed as B. H. Williams and still
WILLIAMS, B.H. Head 51 1829 TN NC TN
Eliza Wife 40 1840 TN TN TN
Thimothy Son 20 1860 TN TN TN
James F. Son 19 1861 TN TN TN
Charles B. Son 16 1864 TN TN TN
Vesta C. Dau 13 1867 TN TN TN
Shelby Jones Son 8 1872 TN TN TN
Ruth Dau 5 1875 TN TN TN
Winnie Dau 3 1877 TN TN TN
Brannum is still living in
WILLIAMS, Bran?? Head 67 Oct 1832 TN NC TN
Eliza Wife 64 Apr 1836 TN TN TN 10 born, 6 living
Timothy Son 40 Jul 1859 TN TN TN
Vesty Dau 33 Mar 1867 TN TN TN
Winnie Dau 22 Dec 1877 TN TN TN
Edward G-son 4 Sep 1895
MOORE, Thomas Boarder 20 Jan 1880 KY TN TN
COLLINS, John Boarder 12 Apr 1888 TN TN TN
By 1910 Eliza had died and Brannum now has a son-in-law,
Dalton Collins living in the home.
Branham Williams & Eliza ____
Branham Williams & Eliza ____
Brannum Son 3 1907 TN TN TN
In conclusion, we believe the pension file of John Scalf,
Sr. and census records of
Compiled by Margaret (Scalf) Fleenor 2005
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